[Proposal] Switch from Zoom to Jitsi (or BBB)

For general meetings, like the “maintenance working group” one.

For me personally. that would be technically better, as they both allow me to turn off other peoples webcam, with which I can safe mobile internet bandwidth, without having to ask everyone to to turn off their webcam for me.
In general it would make sense as we are about Open Source, and these two are open source, while Zoom is not.

You raise a very valid point regarding workflow software options being in alignment with the open-source values of the IOPA, Robin. I have used Jitsi for some time and find it to be a stable, viable alternative. However, I’ve only just used the free version and am not aware of the benefits of pro.

An important consideration beyond openness (at least to me) and features is security (which as we know is oft a symptom of the most widely adopted product; hence all of Zoom’s issues following the boom during the pandemic for online education) and support lag for fixes to security flaws (also a known with Zoom; an example - servers were not configured to have the space to have layout randomization/ASLR enabled - big oversight that caused some significant fallout for enterprise users earlier this year).

This is all to state - I am interested to hear what others have to say, and am board with making the shift to an open-source solution if it meets the needs of the community.

I’m all for using a open source equivalents and I do use Jitsi and BBB as well as Zoom. Unfortunately in my experience Jitsi and BBB still do not hold up in terms of audio latency and stability for group conferences where some participants have bad internet connections.

Cool, thanks for that feedback Kaspar. Any others you may recommend based on prior use (Apache OM/Nextcloud/Jami/others) that appear to be up to snuff in your experience?

I mostly use Zoom and Jitsi. BBB only when I had meetings with Open Source Ecology Germany folks. In fact, the problems we had with BBB were not of stability and latency as with Jitsi but there did seem to be some technical and UX issues if I recall correctly.

I guess BBB is worth investigating as a solution if these technical and UX issues can be overcome. I just worry about time wasted on things like this.

In FabCity Hamburg (FCHH) and OpenSourceEcology Germany (OSEG), both, we are using BBB and Jitsi only. In FCHH mostly jitsi, since tow years, since half a year BBB. in OSEG jitsi since 5 years, and still for smaller meetings a lot, for bigger and regular ones, BBB.
I can;t comment about large meetings (30+ participants with cameras), as we do not often have that, but other then that, it works well for us in practice so far.
To me, Zoom is a technical nightmare (commenting about use under linux), in opens a lot of windows, many of the half hidden/with strange modalities, it has parts of the settings hidden in some strange web interface to whom one only has access with admin rights (???), and it works much worse when on the road then both jitsi and BBB.
It is quite likely that Makers4Humanity (m4h) would give us access to BBB room if we asked them nicely (that is what FCHH does and OSEG did for 2 years, before hosting their own BBB instance).

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